do Crazy Horse Memorial bigger than Mount Rushmore
Good ,it should be bigger ... Poor people had their land snatched from them
I remember reading about this in 2006. It doesn't look like they've made
much progress.
Good. I am glad that he will get a memorial. This is cool.
I just want to point out one thing that asks more questions than it
answers. Just a weird insight into past, present, and future of humanity.
This man is known as Crazy Horse, he will be immortalized on a mountain as
such, a man who honorably withstood the progressions of white men like me
to slowly strip Native Americans from their own land, meanwhile killing
them with influenza and alcohol. But he's known as crazy HORSE, horses are
not native to the Americas, they were brought here by Europeans, which
weren't native to there either they are native to asia, in which Asian
armies used cavalry to win wars and subsequently brought them to europe
with them during wars. I don't even know what all this means but i know
its important. A Native American tribal leader is immortalized and half of
his image is of him riding to battle an animal that was brought to the
continent by their worst enemy the white man.
Why can't the government pitch in a few tax dollars to complete the
project, sacrifice a few drones.
I've been there after a trip to sturgis.
My great grandfather I am proud to know his blood runs in my heart. He most
definitely deserves this.
*Awe that's so thoughtful, for a People that we're slaughtered** , Country
taken from them, forced into open Air Prison Camps, on the least favorable
land to sustain one's own lives, horrifyingly subjugated and made dependant
(sound familiar Israel?)on a Government that is much worse than
undependable, lets say genocidal to be fair. This is what this Memorial
Symbolizes to me. Not to mention defacing nature in such a way, I am quite
sure Crazy Horse would Not Approve! peace* ~
If you ever go to visit you'll see that the Polish family have everything
to gain from not moving at a rapid pace and everything to lose from
completing the project. They live on the Foundation's land as subsistence
farmers. They welcome no federal funding, even though making this part of
the National Parks System would speed up completion substantially and help
to strengthen US Government relations with the Tribe. There is a lot of
hate between the family and the government. You listen to this lady --
daughter of the original sculptor who worked on Mt. Rushmore -- say she'll
be dead before this project is finished, and you see the vision of concept
for the campus that will exist... it will take this family's way of life
with it. You could say they are robbing the Tribe of their vision to build
a monument to Tašúŋke Witkó and a future for their children.
*Awe that's so thoughtful, for a People that we're slaughtered** , Country
taken from them, forced into open Air Prison Camps, on the least favorable
land to sustain one's own lives, horrifyingly subjugated and made dependant
(sound familiar Israel?)on a Government that is much worse than
undependable, lets say genocidal to be fair. This is what this Memorial
Symbolizes to me. Not to mention defacing nature in such a way, I am quite
sure Crazy Horse would Not Approve! peace* ~
It is not a fake..ITs real..We were at Mt. Rushmore in 1959 and we went by
the area where they were working on at the time...almost 56 yrs
ago...People who make fun of these things have no concept of anything..they
total assholes like that he he done below. And I am not even a American
Indian.
white people steal the natives land, and take all their resources and
somehow natives should feel grateful?
All I can say it is about time we honored a true American hero.
My Mom went to school with the wife Ruth
The Lakota drove weaker tribes out of the Black Hills.
Check out this video on YouTube:
They finally finished it ? Beautiful
fake
the white man steal'd dis land doe. he did belong in the cawcazoid mountain
but dem did come's to murica and stolded dis land and all the resources and
shit. and den dey made we black peoples slaves and made we build all the
monuments and sheet.
uh first
I KNOW HOW HE FEEL TO CASTOUT OF THE PLACE WHERE YOU ARE BORN THEY STILL DO
IT TODAY
RIGHT HERE IN THE USA
Do they only have one bulldozer working on that thing? Even if it is
hundreds of feet long and tall, it shouldn't take a century to carve...
*The Lakota Indians Are Still in Court Fighting For The Black Hills, The
last resourceful Land left for any Indians. A Treaty Promised The Black
Hills to The Lakota. Of course it was broken like All of them, and more
Indians Slaughtered for that Land! For gold, now gone. Please don't forget
that, even if it doesn't feel good to think about. peace*
with His*
The Black Hills are the oldest mountain range in the US. It has many
features that display its ancient beauty. It has long been sacred land to
the Lakhota, Cheyenne, Arapahoe and others. This "monument" is an
abomination of that natural beauty led by the idea of a misguided fool.
The interviewer is fine!
Hmph... guess my long replies got censored here? (DOWN with the "Zs"!) I
can give you PLENTY of reasons! I did try...
What if his nose accidentally falls off. Do they scrap the project?
Even though it is stated in some articles that Mr. Z. worked on Mt.
Rushmore, but was 'fired after a disagreement' with Bourglum's son,
Lincoln, we know that Mr. Z. moved on after Mt. Rushmore was completed , to
buy land, build a cabin, and begin the CH Monument.
The nytimes.com article states that Mr. Z. was b. CT, when according to
this CNN vid, which seems to be correct; Mr. Z. was born in Boston, Mass.
In fact, Mr. Z was born there to Polish immigrant parents, (and before
anyone cries "foul", my own son is about 1/2 Polish/Czech! My son's
grandparents were 'first generation Americans', born of immigrants, too.
That's not the issue. Read on...)
Mr. Z.'s sp. 2. "Ms." Ruth Z. was b. CT. Mr. Z. divorced his first spouse,
(ROSS), and the 2nd "Ms Z." (former CEO); hers was also a 2nd marriage.
Does that matter? Only if one notes that Mr. Z.'s first wife filed for
divorce based on "Neglect"; (or, if like Bourglum, he embraced polygamist,
or KKK ideologies?) We don't know if he has children by sp.1 or not. That
1st sp. didn't know how to be 'second' to Mr. Z's ambitions: the carving of
the sculpture
where as the 2nd "Ms. Z.", or "Ms." Ruth, was willing and ready to stand by
her man. And, why not? This family is making MILLIONS per year!
nytimes article excepts continued:(links allowed here? I'll link the
articles if I can, Otherwise, just ask.)
On Z's "Crazy Horse Monument", here's what MOST "American Indians" feel
about the Z family, and the C.H. project:
"Though that commitment has been much romanticized, it has also been the
focus of persistent criticism, most vocally from American Indians, who have
long regarded the project with a mix of support and suspicion. Many
complain that the family has made millions of dollars from a project that,
while carrying the name and imagined likeness of Crazy Horse, has become
more of a monument to the sculptor than to his subject."
and:
"Mr. Ziolkowski, who is buried on the grounds, is as ubiquitous as the
stern visage of the Sioux leader around the visitor complex. And the 85
full-time staff members at the Crazy Horse Memorial Foundation included
more of his descendants (seven) than Indians (five), even though the nearby
reservations have some of the highest unemployment rates in the nation."
“I’ve never heard a single Native American, not one, ever say I’m proud of
that mountain,” said Tim Giago, the founder of Native Sun News, based in
nearby Rapid City"
Note that the "85 full-time staff" were mostly family members (2012). Note
how few Native Americans were or are working at the Crazy Horse
Monument/Memorial.
Try again:
if you read other (CNN & nytimes 2012) articles, you will find that this
family DOESN'T WANT "grants". They are wracking in MILLIONS of dollars
each year just in admissions alone. They are considered a "non-profit",
and this family seems to be profiting mostly for THEMSELVES. There IS NO
image of what Crazy Horse even looked like, ad dare I say, that 'this'
sculpture actually looks more like Korvak Z's George Washington, (Mt.
Rushmore)? From nytimes article March 17, 2012, (by A. G. Sultsberger)
some excerpts (Re-posted Under Fair Use Act):
"In addition to the jobs with the foundation, the family also owns both the
gift shop and the restaurant at the visitor center. And though they donated
much of their property to the foundation, they have made at least $2
million selling other parcels to it."
and:
"The most recent family addition to the staff, Heidi Ziolkowski, 26, one of
the two dozen grandchildren, is now responsible for turning fragments of
blasted rock into candleholders, bookends and other souvenirs. She says she
is in it for the long haul, even if she, too, wonders whether she will live
to see it finished."
and:
"Casimir Ziolkowski described the mountain carving process as not conducive
to shortcuts. He started shoveling blasted rock for his father at age 7,
and five decades later he is the foreman of the operation, which consumes
about a quarter of the foundation’s $7 million annual budget."
(Only 1/4 of $7 MILLION (2012) per year goes to the budget? It's clear
that this "Z" family has and continues to make a killing on not just Crazy
Horse, but "Standing Bear" as well. It is no wonder, (no pun intended),
that there is 'no end' to this project! This Z family, despite saying that
they all live 'modest lifestyles', won't ever shoot themselves in the foot,
by finishing this 'project'.
Another thing that I do wonder about, and will find out, is how the Z
family got that Black Hills land to begin with; latimes.com/ article Aug.,
12, 2007 has more information "Faceoff: Mount Rushmore and Crazy Horse
Monument".
WHY ARE THEY TAKING SO DAMN LONG TO FINISH IT???? THERE ARE PEOPLE BUILDING
CITIES FASTER THAN THEM GUYS CARVING A BIG ROCK!!!! I THOUGHT THEY JUST
ABANDON THAT PROJECT!!!!!!
In that article by Christopher Reynolds, we find that the main builder of
Mt. Rushmore, Gutzon Bourglum was a KKK member; that matters, since Mr. Z.,
the progenitor of this family, and sculptor, had also worked on Mt.
Rushmore, and one of Mr. Z's daughters continued to create other sculptures
with one of Borglum's grandsons. From latimes.com/ article given,
Gutzon Bourglum (Mt. Rushmore):
"the man who made it spent most of his 50s as a mover and shaker in the Ku
Klux Klan."
And:
"With thousands of Americans and their children lining up daily at the
monument for a dose of straight-ahead patriotism, what's the National Park
Service supposed to do with these facts?
The Shaffs' book, out of print for several years, is absent from the
bookstore, and polygamy and the KKK are absent from exhibition texts and
films, which were last updated about a decade ago."
And:
"And when Borglum died in 1941, it was Lincoln who led one final summer of
drilling and chiseling, then declared the sculpture finished. (Lincoln
Borglum died in 1986.)”
It's astonishing, given all this, to learn that the whole project cost just
less than $1 million to build, 84% of it paid by the federal government.
It's equally surprising to read that not one worker died on the job. On
your way out of the Rushmore viewing area, you can read the workers' names,
all 400 of them.
And if you do, be sure look to the end of the list, where the Zs are, and
prepare to hear somebody say:
"Ziolkowski?""
Much more on Crazy Horse Memorial continues; (latimes.com/ 2007 article, as
given).
It's a beautiful tribute.
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